Princeton Premier -- Not in Princeton, and How Premier?
Let's trace a spam e-mail making current rounds that plays on one of the seven deadly sins -- vanity, supposedly Uncle Scratch's favorite, if you believe the movie The Devil's Advocate. We tracked down apparent exclusive biography publisher Princeton Premier (though not by the phone number in its spam e-mail). Shockingly, it's not in Princeton, New Jersey, home to the prestigious alma mater of John Stossel. In fact, it seems to be in bucolic but pleasant Astoria, N.Y., home to several excellent Greek restaurants. We're left wondering whether the company is legitimate or if someone's trying to hijack their mailing list -- we couldn't get Princeton Premier to return our calls to confirm. Click the link below and we'll start with the whole spam letter on the next page.
Here's the whole spam:
Subject: (your name here's) Selection Into Princeton Premier
Your name,
It is my pleasure to inform you that you are being considered for inclusion into the 2008-2009 Princeton Premier Business Leaders and Professionals "Honors Edition" section of the Registry.
The 2008-2009 edition of the Registry will include biographies of the world's most accomplished individuals. Recognition of this kind is an honor shared by thousands of executives and professionals throughout the world each year. Inclusion is considered by many as the single highest mark of achievement.
Upon final confirmation, you will be listed among thousands of accomplished individuals in the Princeton Premier Registry.
For accuracy and publication deadlines, please complete your application form and return it to us within five business days.
You may access the application form using the following link:
(link to forms page that harvests some relatively innocuous personal information)
On behalf of the Managing Director, we wish you continued success.
Sincerely,
Jason Harris
Managing Director
Princeton Premier
This email was sent to (your e-mail here), by Princeton Premier
23-35a Steinway Street
Astoria, NY 11105 United States
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So: Clicking on the application form link leads to this page, with no navigation forward or back except for a link that places Princeton Premier in Fresh Meadows, NY. You actually have to search for Princeton Premier via Google or other means to find the Web site. Digging deeper on the site, there is a phone number, and on two separate occasions on March 26, 2008, real human beings answered it. (As of late afternoon Friday, March 28, the phone number has since disappeared). We tried to get more information about how to purchase a biography, but were told to go to the Web site. Jason Harris, Princeton Premier's Managing Director, apparently has an office where we called, and we were assured he would return our call, but so far he hasn't. We left several phone messages as well. By the way, the Princeton Premier phone number in the spam mail, and the one found in directory assistance for Astoria, NY, didn't work when we tried them.
We can't really critique Princeton Premier's business model, because we don't know what it is. Google "Princeton Premier," and the fourth result says the site has been suspended because its domain account expired, but on March 28 we were still able to see it. If you do manage to get past the impressive array of services on offer, you will find a "terms of agreement" link that tells you all you need to know about whether you should pay any money for a Princeton Premier biography:
"Our cancellation policy states there is a non-refundable 20% processing fee which will be automatically retained on any cancellation that occurs within 24 hours of any sale.
All program sales after 48 hours are final and no refunds will be issued for our service and all accompanying personalized products." So if a profile costs $100, you're still going to get stuck for $20 even if you get a case of buyer's remorse. We couldn't find a price list, though.
This isn't the first time we've written about exclusive-sounding professional "directories" that pretty much accept anybody who's willing to pay them money. With apologies to Groucho Marx, would you want to join any club that would have you and everybody else as a member?
Comments
I just got a call at my place of work from a Michael Ford with Princeton Global. He said the Board was reviewing my application and they had some additional questions for me before my membership would be offerred/denied. I spent 10 minutes answering phony questions about my career accomplishments, aspirations and goals meanwhile googling these people at the same time. Thank goodness I found this information and was able to cut it off before any discussion of payment or disclosure of additional personal info. SLEEZY! I kind of feel like I need a cold shower now....
Posted by: Maggie | October 20, 2009 02:38 PM
You mean to tell me that I am not one of the very few prestigious people that deserve to be recognized after paying a fee??? Darn it! I thought I was going to be one of the lucky few that were honored this way. Of course I am kidding.
When I saw that email, I immediately forwarded it to the SCAM email for the US Government. I really hope that they can do something about stuff like this. It’s a shame that so many people are going to fall victim to this type of scam before they are shut down. These scams really chap my hide.
Posted by: J D Webs | May 6, 2009 06:16 PM
Naw, you all are looking at it all wrong. Everybody fill out the app and have them call you. We can eat into their profits even if the phone company is the only one who really wins. We set up a point system where points are scored based on the length of time that we can keep them on the phone with extra points being scored for those people who require them to make overly expensive long distance phone calls.
Scameaters Unite!
Ward Tipton
Posted by: Ward Tipton | March 28, 2009 02:41 AM
New domain name is princetonmembers.com but similar email. Jay Harris out of NY is registrant as of Dec 12, 2008. Online form leads to a formdesk.com page and the link that takes you there is http://princetonmembers.com/c/c/2/34/32315
First the link lead to a form here http://fd8.formdesk.com/pgn/form2
It now leads to a new and improved form at http://fd8.formdesk.com/pgn/New
Buyer beware. At it again....
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Posted by: John | December 23, 2008 11:41 PM
Don't use this service!
You will regret it the rest of your life.
If you are luck you get a 60% or 80% refund.
Posted by: T | December 11, 2008 04:33 PM
I think most of you are missing the point. If a 1 year membership is only a couple of hundred dollars and it gives you access to networking forums with all their members than it seems like a great deal for only like $15 a month. Stop believing everything you read and start using your own minds. I comb the net looking for networking opportunites like this.
Posted by: john parenti | December 9, 2008 10:14 AM
Below is a copy of a contribution I post, and regularly have to repost as the PP employees erase it and replace it with one of their ads. It seems they do so other places too.
It should be noted that if anyone has a biased opinion here, it is the last several posters, who apprently are with the company, and have only contributed to this site for this one purpose...ignoring many of th posting guidelines while doing so.
The response below, posted again here, includes the information of contributors along with me, as best I can remember (because the company erased those), as well as my own. And much of mine comes from various blogs and other research resources that, as noted, are available to all on most search engines. And even suggests other ways to independently check for yourself...rather than relying on the self serving statements of company and involved (I am not) contributors. However, at least the contribution above shows, along with it being an online community of - well look at the list - it's one you will pay for!
Its wonderful that Wiki gets high billing on most Google searches...and perhaps thats a problem to some. The apparently commercial supporter trying to make this an advertisement area (the link is to the same information on thier emails/website, nothing independent) is one reason you should consider running other searches, perhaps to contact victims of the scam. Another idea - contact any Human Resources recruiter and ask what they would think of someone including their inclusion in this book as a thing of pride, or expecting benefit from it!
However, be aware, those same posters have erased all the prior discussions here...rudely (more than once - I now return the favor every so often) and may be doing so at other sites.....those discussion were along these lines: This is a rehash of the old scam to get your name in "Who's Who of....". Was done for decades...now it's more electronic.
You've been selected for inclusion in an exclusive registry because of your status/standing (whatever) in a field, business, or whatever. It is an honor...and will get you even more esteem and respect because of its exclusivity and in depth screening process.
After providing the requisite info - and most importantly a payment, (apparently they didn't know much about you to have decided you were just right for this major special honor)....you'll find out that as they insist most people want to have the leather bound (or whatever) collector volume of the registry (book) that has them listed (I guess to show off to friends), along with all the other famous and notable people in it...a small fee of $100 (or name it) is all that is needed.
And yes they claim that even without the payment you will be in the book...but only subscribers actually get to see one......I've been invited...I am certainly a leader in my industry (officer in professional groups, a wall of honors, etc)....only thing they printed I know of with my name on it is their solicitation to get me to pay!
If it actually ever gets printed (and sent to those whose payments have cleared, it takes a while to put it all in order you know) or not....thats another story...sometimes yes, sometimes no. Apparently, the one with my solicitaion is still waiting to be printed, because again, neither I nor anyone I've ever spoken to (or been contacted by) has seen it.
Princeton Premier is not affiliated in any way with Princeton University, although it is clearly trying to imply that it has some academic reputation itself.
Real professional awards and recognition don't charge a fee as a qualification to be bestowed.
Posted by: Jeff Kassover | December 2, 2008 06:40 PM
Indeed, as with Andrea I too just received the same quotation but I played the 'left my credit card at home' line when payment chat came into the frame.
I agree with the general spirit of this thread; I like to think I'm pretty clever but ultimately I am Joe Average and there are a million other people like me out there. So no, I wouldn't be selcted from "10s of thousand of applicants".
Be warned however that if the rest of them are like Lynda, they are very good at tickling the ego in the right places. And as I'm sure we'd all agree, malfunctioning ego plays a key part in almost every bad decision in life...
Posted by: Dale | November 20, 2008 10:19 AM
I am glad that I checked. Was called a a message was left by a Kevin Turman (sounded like a new yorker)at 910-795-4908. When I returned the call a voice message (sounded like from India) stated to leave a message. Hope this help others also.
Posted by: Henri Eaton | November 5, 2008 11:57 AM
I have received a phone call to Dubai from this same person, the price he was suggesting for a biography listing was around 800 USD.. My advice is to end the call immediately, and never give a credit card number. Tell the person that you would call him later.
Posted by: S. Abbas | October 7, 2008 02:33 AM
I've received two phone calls where the individual solicited biographic information for this apparent vanity publisher and plaque provider. I don't recall the membership fee, but it was pricey. The phone conversation starts out by asking questions about one's professional career such as how long have you worked at your institution, what's your greatest achievement, etc. As noted in an earlier post, it only takes 3 or 4 responses and the rep indicates you're eligible for membership in the exclusive biographical publication! Whether this promotion can be labeled a sham could be debated, but the dubious distinction of being listed in the publication and being a member seems obvious.
Posted by: Gerald Skoog | September 24, 2008 02:12 PM
I just received this spam at my work email, and Googled the name to see what it was. I'm glad I read this over! Granted, I've only been out of college for just over a year and working at my ad agency for only 9 months, so I was highly suspect anyway of something that claimed I was one of the "most accomplished individuals." I'm not trying to be self-condescending, but I am more than aware that I have only recently moved past "entry-level." I must respond to Leroy Jenkins though - that's a pretty insulting comment. At no point in time did I ever sign up to receive such an email, or deal with any other business/company that I think is comparable - so I don't appreciate the claim that by merely receiving an unsolicited email, I am a "loser" who is self-absorbed enough to care about "being important." If I had actually signed up for such a thing, knowing how vastly unqualified I am, then maybe the remarks would be appropriate, but I'm not sure why you feel yourself qualified to be the judge of anyone else? You must think of yourself as pretty important to be so rude...
Posted by: Leah | September 5, 2008 02:23 PM
This scam is for losers from Loserville. No one who is actually important would be receiving such an e-mail. Only those who want to be important are on their list.
Posted by: Leroy Jenkins | August 25, 2008 11:08 AM
I've just had a call back from Princeton Premier and they've accepted me into the Register. They didn't tell me anything much about what they could do for me.
In terms of fees, they wanted 789 dollars for lifetime membership plus 199 dollars for the members listing - I was also offered a 5-year deal that would only cost 589 dollars plus 199 dollars for the members list.
Seems a lot of money for online networking/chat room.
Posted by: Andrea Bennett | August 15, 2008 11:46 AM
Good Findings. It doesn't surprise me that you did not get a reply.
Posted by: Rose | June 26, 2008 12:48 PM