Scam or Real deal?.. it looks like a scam because of the insane amount of url saturation designed to hide any real derogatory sites or reviews... The people on here that have defended it have yet to address the claim of folks NOT getting their money back, nor have they addressed the claims of incomplete instructions or poor video.. their arguement is always the same.. "buy it.. then complain" ( kinda sounds like what Ralph Madoff would have told investors, lol) well that kinda seems to defeat the purpose of investigating before you buy doesent it?.. If it looks like a Duck, walks like a Duck and talks like a Duck, I am not going to buy it just to see if it is a Duck... That would make me an idiot and a Victim... however I have advice for those that got ripped off.. re write the manuals sell them for $9.95 on ebay and call them the Debunking of the earth4energy manuals.. you help others and you get your money back plus maybe a lil extra.. Capitalistic revenge at its finest..Good luck to you all

I was disappointed and the spellings and grammatical errors were very distracting. But I do feel the duty to report that the ClickBank outfit that took money from my PayPal account did agree to refund my money in full very promptly. Then ClickBank followed thru with an email confirming the refund was going to take place within several minutes. Jim from NH

You are able to gather some details from whois.com, but it is also quite obscure. I dont really trust many sites that hold they layout that site does, but im not going to call scam...just be weiry.

the information is as advertised but incompleat becuse it dus not show you how to conect it to your home.
other than that it is all as advertised you can bild a panel for under 200 but only by buying 250 in bulk soler sells to make 3 panels extra parts will bring it to about 200 per panel but you can by a completed panel at harber freignt for 199+ tx and not have to do any work but i like the information i got and am building them right now. you shood not by a info product unless you are a do it your self person.

What a scam. Unfortunately I purchased the info. A victim will have to contact ClickBank (1-800-390-6035) with the order # and they will refund the purchase. They will e-mail your verification while you are on the phone with them. It will do no good to e-mail the guy on Earth4Energy web page. A sad day for the internet.

Well said on E4Energy. I am a master electrician and mechanic and 50 year do-it-yourselfer and I just had to purchase and review this typical internet fraud for myself and everything you said about it is right on and worse. The info on the wind gen is so vague as to be worthless and so far from reality as to be nothing more than a joke. Not a single picture of a working gen. NOT ONE! I must say that a small part of me hoped for the best but once again "Harvey" proved that way too much of the internet today is full of blood sucking parasites. Right on par with 98% of the make money on the internet crowd which is nothing more than a ponzi scheme teaching people how to sell other suckers info on making money on the internet. It seems that the "information highway" is turning to mud with disappointment around every bend. Sad. Oh and as to the 60 day unconditional money back guarantee" they count on the fact that 95% of purchasers never get around to ever trying to build anything and won't ever ask for their money back. The video for the wind gen only shows the blade making PERIOD! and is about as exciting as watching the paint dry. I am a Clickbank affiliate and I am here to say that they should be ashamed of themselves as this throws doubt on everything else they sell. Save your money! I am embarrased to say I actually started to promote this garbage.

Vince:

Can you gives us some pictures of your completed project(s) and maybe some before and after power bills?

That would be a big help.

Also, if you could expand on your experience when building your panels and/windmill.

Earth 4 Energy reviews and feedback, Earth4Energy scams, rip off.

I find it interesting & unfortunate that my competition is succeeding in selling information that isn't 100% accurate. Buying solar wafers from the cheapest Chinese manufacturer to build a 200 watt solar panel costs me more than $200 USD......wholesale.
To guide a consumer to buy blindly on E-BAY is foolish. To expect them to buy broken solar wafers & assemble them into a workable package is non-sense. Certainly you can build a solar panel for $200 bucks, given the efficiency you can expect, you are better off buying one for the same price or a little more. You will achieve comparable performance for the same price.
A lot of technology goes into PV ie anti reflective coatings, anti impact protection, etc. Just as a lot of technology goes into wind generators. There is an important element here that is important called wind hysteresis, without it your wind generator will catch on fire.
And yes inverters aren't cheap, what are going to do....build one, forget about UL rating rest assured your insurance company won't. There is another element that is also missing is a controller switch that goes back & forth between your battery supply & the grid. Those that are advocates of this product
.......I have build plans for cold fusion electrolysis.

j.p.o

Ok, so e4e gives detailed instructions on how to build the blades for a wind turbine. thats cool.
then it tells you to attach these blades in order to drive a DC motor, ok that's great! now when the wind blows and turns the prop we have a DC voltage generated at the terminals of the
DC motor.
I'm prepared to believe that you could get a cheap DC motor from an old drill or something, and buy the materials for the props from a hardware store.

BUT HOLD ON!!!
the mains electricity at your house in single phase AC(alternating current), and to convert DC to AC requires an inverter(a shitload of power electronic) have fun building that from hardware store parts.
BY the way a 500W single phase inverter will cost you about 100usd and 500W would power 5 lightbulbs(standard 20 dollar fan heaters are 2000W) So even if you could build enough turbines to generate a reasonable amount of power. all of that power then must be inverted to ac making your inverter larger and much more pricy.

Fuck off earth4energy

I found the information on www.kijiji.ca. The fellow had four panels for sale but guess what? Sold them all but I could go to the Earth4Energy site. BTW. The woman looks and sounds like the same woman who appears on TV and talks about weight lost. That is a scam as well. I guess the only weight I'm going to loose is the weight of my money.
I figured something was up when he said you could build solar panels for $200.00. I paid $750.00 for mine and I got a good price.

Well, for what it's worth, I did buy Earth4Energy & I was able to make my own system work! I did spend a little more than $200 to build it, but I've already saved that and more off of my electric bills in the last 3 months.
By the way, I didn't pay full price for Earth4 Energy. I got a $40 discount at this web site link & it was well worth it because I'll continue to save money forever!

http://tinyurl.com/djddhn

Earth4energy is not a scam product. It's a great product created by Michael Harvey which can help us save our electricity usage to great extent. For more details about this product, visit Earth 4 Energy website - http://earth4forenergy.blogspot.com/

This discussion is getting interesting. R.T. and Mark both make good points.

Ted and NCLPR guy, your feedback isn't quite as useful. Are you trying to say this product doesn't contain detailed instructions about how to put together your own solar panels and how to build a wind generator? Are you disputing whether or not this can be done? Have you seen the video demonstrations that are now part of the product?

I just read the e-book, and it can be summarized like this a)Get broken cells cheap on e-bay b)get used golf cart or fork lift batteries c) make a wind mill from a DC motor. The instructions are useless. The $200 claims are unreasonable. At the end, there is even a link to running your car on water. See http://www.nlcpr.com/Deceptions6.php for more.

Chris,who makes himself out to be some sort of authority on solar power and marketing is full of it.
Throughout the country people are using solar panels, quite simple ones, to heat their water and reduce energy cost.
My ex-girlfriend's Dad built his own solar panels and has used them to heat water for their house for about 20 years.
I used to live in an apartment complex that used simple solar panels to heat the pool.
Those who cry scam either don't know anything about the subject, don't want to put any effort in, or once had a bad buying experience on the internet.
So what if info is available for free somewhere-internet, library, whatever.
Earth4Energy simply brings it all together in a manual and short videos so that it is easy for the average person to do it.
Get some real knowledge before you start crying wolf.

Is it really reasonable to call something a scam just because people are making money selling it? I really think that opinion is so laughable. It's as if people haven't been selling things to you before the internet. Do you think everything you buy at every store is a scam because someone's making money selling it to you? Or that someone is "hyping" things up too much in their advertising? Advertising is nothing but hype and distortions. I can understand being against it. I find most of it quite amusing myself (including the advertising for this product.) I just think it's silly when people pick on internet products as being "scams" when they are really no different than any other products.

And sure the info in Earth4Energy may be available other places for free. But that goes for just about any information. Ever heard of a library?

I have been researching wind and solar power for a number of years. In an effort to find a way for the average person to obtain cost effective clean renewable energy I have learned alot. When I saw the ads for Earth4energy I was piqued. After evaluating their site, I feel it is important for the potential consumer to understand some important information regarding the use of these alternative energy sources. Some things to keep in mind regarding alternative energy sources. These sources generally require more energy than they create. You are only harnessing a portion of the energy available from the sun or wind through these systems. The biggest reason these systems are in use today is because solar and wind energy in it's raw form are free to obtain. Wind and solar generating systems require a large amt of raw energy to create a small amt of power. One of the Earth4energy testimonials stated the person had built three panels and was producing about nine amps of power. At $200.00 per panel that is about $67.00 dollars per amp. Most houses today require a 200 amp electrical service. That would require sixty seven panels at a cost of $13,400 plus the $49.95 for the manual. In addition you will need enough batteries to store this power, charge controlers to manage it safely, and a power inverter to change the DC power to AC current. These items are not cheap.In addition you will need to consult your local building department to determine what systems you can or cannot build in your area as well as the permits required for construction. Ultimately the Earth4energy ad might do what it claims. That is teach you how to build a solar panel for $200.00. But to creat a system that will truly be cost effective, clean, safe, and renewable, will require a significant investment of time,work, and money. As far as the Earth4energy site. What I get most out of this is it seems the goal is to sell franchise sites rather than the product. It is possible to operate portions or all of your house from alternative energy. The information is out there, and it is free. Do your homework. Do not expect to get it dirt cheap.

I found two different videos, 1 by an American, 1 by an Australian using almost exactly the same script simply 'promoting' the downloaded e-book. I have found no independently generated content showing results of applying the material. By contrast there are dozens of sites with earth4energy in the url. That's more than one red flag for me.

I bought it like a fool and it is junk..pure rubbish.

Jerry, it would be great if you could provide a little bit more feedback for everyone. What exactly was not as advertised? Were you expecting something else when you purchased the guide? Did you try to follow the guide, but were not able to do so? I'd love to hear from people who have actually purchased the product.

As far as the refund goes, the product is sold through a third party company which handles such things. You have to go through their system to get your refund and there is a detailed FAQ about how to do this on the order page. One customer who purchased through my site submitted the transaction twice somehow and one of the purchases was refunded, so I know the process works.

They will not give your money back if you are not satisfied with product. I fell for ther scam, contacted them immediately after I found out that the product wasn't as advertised but as of yet, have not got my money back.

I'm an affiliate for the Earth4Energy product and I'd like to weigh in here. I can understand some of these comments and specifically, I can see where Chris is coming from. There is free information out there, but Earth4Energy is a legitimate product that brings all of that information together in a way that's easy to understand. Almost everything you'd ever want to know about anything is available on the Internet, but there is always a better way to package that information and make it easier to consume. If the information available on the web was adequate, there would be no market for this product and we wouldn't be talking about it. This is a very popular product, because it fills a need.

The claims that are being made about this product is what is misleading and this is probably where the scam label is coming from. I haven't tried to use this guide to complete one of these projects (as I'm sure none of you posting here have), but I do not believe Earth4Energy would help me save 80% on my electricity bill at a cost of less than $200. This claim is often made while marketing the product, but the guide itself is very clear that you will need multiple wind generators and/or solar panels to start cutting your electricity bill significantly. More realistic expectations would be that Earth4Energy can help you get started with renewable energy for your home for an initial investment of less than $200 or that Earth4Energy can help you reduce your electricity bill by 80% (after building a whole network of wind generators, solar panels, etc. usually gets left unsaid).

Is Earth4Energy a scam? I don't think so and that's why I've been promoting the product. I think people are trying to find cheaper ways to power their homes while at the same time trying to lessen their impact on the environment and this product can help them get started. I've been in contact with the person who created Earth4Energy and his goal was to make a set of instructions that was more user friendly than what can currently be found on the web for free. I really don't know if he succeeded, because every testimonial I've seen for the product looks fake. I'll get back to you if I ever take the time to try to build one of these things myself.

Full disclosure, this is basically the same argument I used when participating in a similar discussion on Yahoo Answers.

I also have personally used Earth4Energy and rest assured it does what it claims. And as Vince said, you can get a full refund on the project if you are not 100% satisfied.

So what's the big deal?

It looks like they have built a bunch of spam blogs that shill their product using the same language, format and pictures as the main site. It's turned me off.

There are several legitimate sites that show you how to make this stuff and they don't charge you for it. A quick search on YouTube for "wind turbine" brought up a lot of free how-to videos. many of them link back to blogs that give you step by step instructions for FREE.

I would avoid Earth4Energy because it looks like a scam. Plus, if you really want to save money, go for some of the free instructions.

Earth4Energy is a scam, as are sites like Earth4EnergySCAM.org. They are using saturation marketing to suppress any negative reviews.

The claims they make are ridiculous and impractical. There is just no way that homeowners are going to be building solar panels from hardware store parts, or finding secret ways to get free, deep cycle batteries. I can't post much in this little box, but I will leave you with a link to my blog and web site where point out in detail why you should avoid these kind of scams.

This is a link to my web page dedicated to this scam.
http://www.nlcpr.com/Deceptions6.html

I also have a blog about the saturation marketing of it here:

http://nlcpr.com/blog/2008/11/24/earth4energy-fraud-scam-saturation-marketing/

There are a few others that have blogged about it, but they are all drowned out in the noise. I counted 220,000 hits on Google a few days ago on the word Earth4Energy.

The bottom line for consumers is that there is no practical way to generate your own power and sell it back to the power company or generate enough yourself to be off-grid. It will be a hobby at best. The equipment exists of course, but you are looking at a very large investment and when you factor in the up front costs, you end up with an exceedingly poor investment. If you need to save money, look at ways to conserve (like low flow shower heads).

the same old man?!
(check out the photo)
http://www.earth4energy.com/
http://www.thevenusproject.com/vp_jac/resume.htm

thank you for this review. I must say it was pretty difficult to find it. (google did a good job in keeping the true nature of the website undercover. Is google such a good thing after all?)

ps
im pretty sure no solar photoelectric elements or proper bearings\generators for windmill generators can be cheap.

i believe that any alternative energy sources of today are extremely underdeveloped and ineffective. Yet someone is making good money on people's ignorance

If you want to build a home generator or something else. Go to Wikhow.com for good info!

What are you talking about? Have you even tried out this product?

Way to review a product without trying it.

The sales copy was meant to advertise; it's hyped up, just like every other product and service being promoted in this world. Does that make every product and service a scam?

E4E has video tutorials and everything. They offer a full money back guarantee.

A scam is when the company tricks you and steals your money.

it's amazing how many fake testimonials pop up when you google "Earth4Energy.com scam".

i guess it's about as convincing as any other pyramid scheme.

I've been searching for something like this, but after reading not so sure I want to go with this product. Back to the search...

I too have been searching for any credible information other than advertising and found nothing. Thank you for covering this.

I find it interesting that the one person who is so indignant that you would question the product without owning it goes by the name "Jon Sample." Now, there's a believable name! HA! Hey Mr. "I'm not affiliated with them in any way, just a happy customer." If that is true then provide us with proof right here of your project from start to finish (with photos) and real electric bills.

Have been searching for the same kind of info as first poster in this thread. Everything I've found looks like it's owned by or written by the underlying company, especially seemingly unrelated websites. It does smack of an internet marketing scheme but that doesn't mean the eBook isn't valuable. But no whois info on website owner, no BBB.org membership, no independent reviews. Hmm...

I have personally used Earth4Energy and it really does what it claims.

I'm not affiliated to them in any way, I'm just a happy customer.

I am shocked at how you claim that Earth4energy is a scam, without any evidence.

Have you actually bought the product? I have and It does what it says it will do.

If you're planning to claim that a product is a ripoff, at least buy it and review it before giving such false statements.

The product offers a 60 day unconditional money back guarantee, a scam site would have a money back guarantee

Absolute scam!!!!!!